in both situations I am waiting for the play to finish before I make any call. Proper timing should not give you the time give that safe really cuz about the time you should be ready to give a safe the runner has slide off the bag by then. Is he safe then?? No, not at that point. If the defense is paying attention at all they would realize he is off the bag, apply the tag and if he is out then at that point give a good loud WITH THE TAG, HE'S OUT!!! Now if you partner is doing his job he should be off the dirt behind home to get that timing play and then call it if the runner scored or not as he should see when the tag was applied.
Think of it as a force at first and the throw beats the runner by a step or two. Your not gonna fire off an out only to have to give a safe right behind it when F3 drops the throw.
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Jim
Need an out, get an out. Need a run, balk it in.
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