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Old Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:37pm
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is offline
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef View Post
Perhaps you're so old that your decades are running together but you're incorrect on your dates.

Prior to the 2002-2003 season, the NFHS changed rule 4-12-1 which added an exception an exception to the definition of control by a player when, during a jump ball, a jumper catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor or a non-jumper.

Previous to this rule change, if a jumper caught the jump ball, the opponent got the ball for a throw-in and the arrow was set to their basket.

With the 2002 rule change, a violation no longer resulted in Team B losing the arrow for the next AP situation.

We discussed this situation on this forum, which is further proof that you're incorrect, since this forum did not exist in 1993.

To the OP's question, a case play was added regarding this situation which states the arrow is set after the throw-in ends.

4.12.1 SITUATION: During the jump ball to start the game, jumper A1 catches the ball prior to the ball touching the floor or a non-jumper. Ruling: A violation by A1. Team B is awarded a throw-in at the nearest spot due to the violation, which constitutes the first possession. As soon as the throw-in by Team B ends, the alternating-possession arrow shall be set towards Team A.

This, of course, is in direct conflict with 4-3-3a, even though that rule has not changed since 2002. The above case play only appeared in the 2002-2003 Case Book.

HERE endeth the lesson.

Tony:

With all due respect, my dates are correct (see my P.S. in my OP). I am certain of my dates because I had this violation occur during a pool play game in the 1994 AAU Girls' 12U National Championship in Kenner, LA.

The 1994 AAU National Girls' Championship Tournaments were played using 1993-94 NCAA Women's Rules. I was the R in the game and A1 tipped the jump ball and then grabbed the ball. I was officiating the game with an official who was not a college official and she wanted to set the AP Arrow toward Team B's Basket and then give the ball to Team B for a designated spot throw-in. I correctly instructed the Scorer that the AP Arrow toward Team A's Basket after Team B's throw in, which the Scorer did.

At half time there were two NCAA Division I women's officials waiting for us in our dressing room and they insisted that we had set the AP Arrow incorrectly. When I showed them the difference between the APR in the 1992-93 NCAA Rules Book and the 1993-94 NCAA Rules Book, they were aghast because they had gone an entire school year and did not know that there had been a change in an APR which had not been identified as a change in the rules.

Now, to address your NFHS rules changes. The changes and the dates of the changes that you have stated are correct, but all these changes did, was codify what the Casebook Play had Ruled since the 1994-95 season. The NFHS Casebook Play that you referenced just shows that the people on the NFHS Rules Committee once again failed to do their due dilligence in researching the history of the rule or they would have know about the original casebook plays.

So endth the history lesson.

MTD, Sr.
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