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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
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I am not talking about imagining contact where none occurs. Read the whole post please. I stipulated that the ref must see the poke in the eye. Hockey is no different. You have to see the high stick to call the high stick. The principle that I was referring to in my post is very applicable - you have to be in control of your hands, arms, etc, just like the hockey player must control his stick.
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All contact is not a foul. So just because a player got poked in the eye, did not mean a foul is the reason for that contact. You hockey comparison does not hold water. In Hockey I can assume that there was a check, it just comes down to the legality of that check. Not much different than a screen in basketball. I think I saw the Missouri Valley Conference Championship and a Southern Illinois player ran hard into a completely stationary (not completely required by rule btw) screen by a Creiaton(sp) player and the SIU player, shuttered in pain. Everything that happen was legal and the officials called nothing.
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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
Accidents that result in illegal contact are fouls. Seeing a player fall or grab an eye does not result in a foul if you see only the result and not the contact that caused it. I did not see the UNC-Duke game, so I don't know if it was a good or bad call (or no-call). I have seen many refs treat an accidental eye poke that they saw as incidental contact. I have had a ref tell me that he saw it, it was an accident, therefore no call. I strongly disagree with that opinion.
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I will remember that the next time a kid falls down. I will assume that every time a player falls that he got there by another player or that they are not acting. And considering that the action in this game. The contact was not very obvious and if we did not see over and over again on replay, you might not even known that contact took place. And then what if he did not move, you still going to call a foul? I have seen players get hit and keep coming. You have not given me any evidence why this was a foul other than opinion. Contact is not a foul all by itself. Basketball can and is a rough game and all contact is not going to warrant or should bring a foul. This falls totally under the "incidental contact" section of the rule and if the player did not fall down, we would not even be discussing this. If his falling down is the only thing you can use as a foul, then to me it is not a foul.
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