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Originally posted by just another ref
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Originally posted by JRutledge
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You are talking about Team Control, I am talking about the application of the 3 second rule. It clearly says to give allowances for a try for goal as well as a dribble.
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The two things are related in this case. The 3 second count ends when team control ends. Agreed? The allowance you refer to in 9-7-3 states: Allowance shall be made for
a player who, having been in the restricted area for less than three seconds, dribbles in or moves immediately to try for goal. My interpretation here is that this refers to a player in the lane with the ball. Also, if I am watching a player in the lane and the ball is on the opposite side of the court, I probably will not know if that player is about to shoot or not.
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And since 9-7 is the only place I am aware of that goes into detail about the rule, nothing is stated about a release. Nothing in the Casebook talks about release either.
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The word release is not used, but in the definition of control it says team control ends when the ball is "in flight" which in my mind is the same as when it is released.
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Why do you keep bringing up Team Control? You can have Team Control and never have a 3 second count at all. If no player with the team that is in control of the ball is in the lane, it does not even matter.
So again, you have not shown me anything in the rulebook that talks about Team control in the situation that was described earlier. The original question was about not what had to take place to have a 3 second violation was "There is no 3-second count between the release of a shot and the control of a rebound, at which time a new count starts?" All I wanted to illustrate was the release of a shot does not play a factor. And if you are calling a 3 second violation while a player is in the "act of shooting" you have not done the proper thing in my opinion. But if you see release as being a factor, then release is a factor to you. That is not how many of the officials I know called it. But if a player is just about to release the ball and you are blowing your whistle, then I do not know of many officials that would call it so tight. Not only am I talking about the rules, but I am talking about common sense. Common sense has to play apart in the application of this rule and many others.
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