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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Jeff, please don't play dumb, ok? It doesn't become you. I know you're not stupid, and I know you can read. So I also know that must be aware of the request (triple-dog dare) that I've made several times. If you don't want to admit that you were wrong, due to stubbornness or lack of courage, fine. But don't insult my intelligence by pretending.
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I did not listen to triple dog dares when I was a shortee, I do not listen to them while I am in my 30s.
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I never claimed what anyone said something specifically.
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Jeff, again, here is the exact quote from your first post in this thread:
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I did not say Tony said it or even JR said it or Mick. So for me to claim something specifically, I would have to point someone out.
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we have people on this board that think your test score is the determiner of what officiating is all about.
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
That is a specific claim. At least one person here thinks that a test score determines the value of an official. That's your claim (or fairly close to it). Did you ascribe this to a particular individual? No. That is, however, irrelevant. All I have asked you to do is to provide some evidence that your statement is true, other than your above-stated claim.
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I do think there are people that feel that way. They bring that to light by the way they have disagreed with or mocked the "presence vs. rules" discussion and taken opposition with me personally. Of course there are individuals that feel that way. Just because they did not use the exact words does not mean it is not true. I guess George Bush has to come out and say this war is only about oil for you to believe that too.
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
In any intellectual or scientific dialogue, a person who asserts that something is true is expected by his audience to present evidence or support for his assertions. You went to college and graduated with a bachelor's degree (if I recall correctly), so you must know how to present a case and support it. That's all I've asked you to do. Present one single, solitary post in which someone states that a person's test score is completely indicative of that person's officiating ability. If you can't or won't support the claims you've made on this topic, then I again ask (respectfully, this time) that you stop making those claims..
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In most intellectual or scientific dialogues that I have been a party to, do not give specific, undeniable evidence to back up a point. Most of the time it is opinion and analysis. That is what I did, that is what I stand by. People do it all the time about my personal beliefs and personal opinions and I do not see you and others asking for proof to those claims. Like the captialization of "Black." I explained that years ago and folks are still trying to say it has another meaning. Well ya know, they have that right to believe that. Because the word "Black" discribes a race and ethnicity of a group of people that "white" does not. It is used differently in politics, social issues and scientific study. But there will still be people that think I am doing the Eddie Murphy skit on SNL when talking about these issues.
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Take the comments for what they are worth
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
As of now, Jeff, they're worth nothing. I believe them to be totally false, and you've done nothing to change my view on that. If you would find the courage to admit that your comments were incorrect, and if you were to say that you would not make these comments anymore, I believe the respect for you among members of this board would grow immensely. You've said in the past that you don't care about that; nevertheless, I think it's true.
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I am not incorrect at all. Because you do not believe that anyone feels that way, I do. It is called an opinion and I stand by it. You do not have to say something in order for the proof to be there. Actions speak louder than words, even thought it is difficut to see actions here, but when I see the same people giving the same argument toward anything, they must feel a certain way.
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So once again I'll ask; can you offer any support whatsoever for the claim that I quoted above? If not, will you then admit you were wrong? Stop dodging and answer those two simple questions.
Chuck
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When you ask for the same evidence when folks say what they say about me. When you require others to "back up" their claims they make about others, then I will think about showing you specifics. But the reality is that all you have to do is stick around and read the opposition. It will come out. It will manifest itself. Just pay attention and you will see for yourself if you are truely open minded about it. Tony calls me liar every other post, but does not seem to know what that means. Because in order to lie, you have to be telling something the opposite of the truth knowingly. And when we are talking about opinions and different views on the facts, I can hardly be a liar when we do not agree on what the facts are.
Peace