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Originally posted by Ed Hickland
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Originally posted by Derock1986
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Originally posted by mikesears
What happens if A commits a dead ball foul after we request that the chains move and before we declare the ball ready for play? YIKES! Where was the old line-to-gain??
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Who cares where the old line-to-gain was. Now this is when the common sense has to kick into gear and make a ruling. A first down has been declared and the signal given. The chains are now moving but A commits a foul before the chains are reset with the new line to gain. My ruling in this situation would be to penalize A from the new line-to-gain. Eventhough the RFP signal has not been given, the new series of downs has already been awarded.
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But I'm only a youth official so what do I know.
Derock
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Rule 5-1-2 talks about the end of the down and 5-3-1 specifies an award of first down occurs only after all penalties have been enforced. The key phrase from Fundamental X.4 is all dead ball fouls are enforced from the succeeding spot.
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I have to disagree with you Mr Ed. Rule 5-1-2 talks about awarding a new series of down. 5-3-1 talks about penalty enforcement AFTER a new series of downs has been awarded and before the ready for play signal. In the situation provided by Mike Sears, a new series of downs had not been awarded and by rule 5-1-2 you must consider the effects of any act during the down AND any dead-ball foul BEFORE you award a new series of downs. The dead ball foul will be enforced from the succeeding spot but the result of the play and dead ball foul brings up 2nd and 5.
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But I'm only a youth official so what do I know.
Derock