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Clearly, that UIC is not among those on this forum, although we are not an official ruling source.
Both OP situations are accidental, reinforced by both fielders making a further attempt on the same runner.
The timing suggest by Youngump, if close enough to a deliberate move to the base seems appropriate if ITUJ there was no time to say it before.
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