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Originally Posted by sseltser
1)The rule is 4-24-6:
2) But for you to say that there is "nowayinhell" that this is a PC foul is wrong. Just because a pivot is legal, doesn't mean that the offensive player didn't cause illegal contact with his arms/elbows.
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1) And you're treating 4-24-8 as if it doesn't exist. And 4-24-8 specifically refers to excessive and illegal elbow swinging, which is what we're discussing. Not
all elbow swinging is excessive and illegal. If it was, any pivot with your arms out in a normal position would also be illegal. Do you really think that's the case?
2) There is nowayinhell you can call a PC foul or a violation on any offensive player with the ball while that player is making a
LEGAL pivot. There is nothing written anywhere in the rules that will allow you to do so. To call either, you must have an
illegal act of some kind to occur. And an legal pivot is
NOt an illegal act. To say otherwise is simply ridiculous imo.
We're never going to agree. May I suggest that you take this to your local or state rules interpreter and ask them if an offensive player with the ball can ever be called for a PC foul or a violation while making a
legal pivot.