[just another ref]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRutledge
[B]just another ref,

The problem I see with that statement, suggest that there is never a time defender can touch a dribbler.
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Which statement was that?
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The reality is that is not completely true. If a defender is retreating and the touching was kind of a protection from getting ran over, I do not think I will call a handcheck on a defender.
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Depends on the touch. You could be retreating and protect yourself with a "Chuck Norris Touch" of some kind.
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Even when we talk about legal guarding position, the rules allow the defender to put their hands up and arms up to protect themselves as long as they are within their vertical plane.
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Absolutely true, but what does that have to do with what we were talking about.
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In my opinion and what I have been taught for several years, call handchecking when the defender directed the dribbler, not just when they touch them.
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Would that be the same as displacement? I believe that is the term you used earlier.
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Especially on a retreating defender you do not want to call handchecking when they are not coming out to defend a play.
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I'm a little vague on this one, but the retreating defender can often be be guilty of a hand check foul as he tries to recover an original position in front of a dribbler.
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If they are getting beat and the contact did not affect that, leave it alone.
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Fair enough.
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See the problem is that NF is trying to cover several states, several skill levels and several styles of basketball.
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I don't really consider this a problem. This is where that word JUDGMENT comes in. I think we all agree on that. What I do consider a problem is the higher skill levels taking liberties with the rules. This started in the NBA.
It is now solidly entrenched in the college game, and is making strides every year in high school, and even below, in my opinion.
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And if you were to work in some of the bigger Christmas Tournaments around here and call a touch as handchecking, you would not be back.
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Right now, this is the least of my worries. They wouldn't hire me anyhow, I wear a belt.
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And even tagging or a touch on a stationary player in many circles is allowed once, keep doing it is is a foul.
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I'm lost again. What circles are you referring to now?
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But I personally have been talking players out of this action without having to call a foul. Especially early when it appears they want to use their hands to try to measure their opponent with their hands without touching them.
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Off the ball, as mick said, a warning is okay, even though it is not something I do a lot of myself. But what about on the ball? Do you talk to them, too? And why would they be talked out of it so easily if they know you at all. You already said it is not a foul without displacement.
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