Coach, welcome to the board. I've posted on your board a few times myself. Now, to your post.
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Originally posted by coachmjw
I am a basketball coach who would like some help with this situation. We scored to tie a game with 4 seconds. Our opponent hurried the ball up the floor and according to the referee we fouled their player on a shot for a lay up. The shot and the horn were so close that you couldn't tell the difference.
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The shot was so close to the horn that you, admittedly, could tell which came first. Yet, you expect the official to wave off the shot and the foul? I'm not sure I understand your reasoning.
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Obviously on judgement of the official it happenned before the horn went off. Personally I feel the official should of waived it off and said "OVERTIME". The official had the player shoot the free throws with no one in the lane - the player made the first free throw and the game was over.
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Okay, so you're saying that the shot was missed and you're arguing that the foul should not have been called because the shot came after the basket? One thing doesn't have anything to do with the other.
If the player is fouled in the act of shooting, it doesn't matter whether the shot is released prior to the horn or not. The only thing that matters is whether the foul occurred before the horn or not.
Also, was the shooter sirborne? If so, it doesn't matter whether the foul occurred prior to the horn or not. An airborne shooter can be fouled, or can foul, until he returns to the floor.
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Should the lane have been cleared?
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Yes. The ball will become dead after the last FT, whether made or not, so the lane is cleared.
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Should some time of been put back on the clock? If the player was fouled before the horn according to the official then their should still be some time.
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No. If the horn sounded so close to the whistle that the clock could not be stopped, no time is put back on the clock. The timer is allowed 1 second of "lag time" to stop the clock.
[/B][/QUOTE]I also would like some opinions by officials on the judgement of this play. If no time is on the clock I as a basketball coach feel strongly the official should of waived the play off.[/B][/QUOTE]
Sorry but the rules don't support that. And, I bet you wouldn't feel that way if your player was fouled.
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The trail official at half court made a comment to me that he would of waived it off but it was not his call.
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That was a stupid remark on his part. I wouldn't want to work with this official. If he has a concern, he should voice it to his partner and not you.
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I told him it sure is - he needs to discuss this play with the official who made the call.
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He was correct in that this was not his call. If his partner asks for help, he can certainly offer what he saw but it is not his call.
If I've misunderstood what you were asking, please clarify for me. But as long as the foul occurred before the horn or the foul occurred on an airborne shooter, even after the horn, it was a good call.
Sounds like a good call to me.