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Old Fri Dec 18, 2009, 01:19pm
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Originally Posted by jallen View Post
this is a good question and does happen. In Fiba equal gravity fouls cancel. Double fouls go back to the team in control as in the case of most double fouls. However, in this case one foul is disqualifying so the other team shall have the ball at center for a throw in and can use both courts to inbound the ball. Questions may seem stupid until the time they happen and then what?
last night we called an unsportsman foul on team A followed by two Techs on Team B. what cancels here?
It's not correct to say that "equal gravity fouls cancel", rather than "equal penalties cancel". Consider the following case: team A has committed five fouls in the period; B1 fouls A1 in the act of shooting; while the try is in the air, A2 fouls B2 going for position at the rebound; the ball enters the basket. Now, the two fouls are of the same gravity (both are common fouls), but the penalties are different: 1 FT for A1 and two FT for B2. The penalties are administered in the order of occurrence of the infractions.

Almost the same would happen if both fouls are judged unsportsmanlike (intentional, in Fed's language), but the ball possession for team A would be lost: 1 FT for A1, two FT for B2 and possession for B at the division line.

On the other hand, a double foul is when two players commit a foul against each other at approximately the same time. It doesn't matter the kind of foul: the play is resumed at the POI (to use Fed's language). For example, while B1 pushes A1 (player in control of the ball), A1 strikes B1 in the face with an elbow: double foul, but A1's foul is probably disqualifying (flagrant, in Fed's language). Play is resumed with a throw-in for team A.

It would be very different if A1 strikes B1 after the pushing foul. The two fouls are not at the same time any more and so a different rule comes into play: penalties do not cancel and they are administered in order of occurrence. If team B is in team penalty situation (after the fourth foul in a period), the substitute of A1 would shoot two FT and B1 would shoot two FT followed by possession for team B at the division line.

In the case you are presenting, it really doesn't matter what penalties cancel: the game is resumed with two FT (any player may shoot them) and possession for team A.

There is a case when this matters: B1 commits a U foul on A1; team A's coach uses profanity against B1 and gets a T; team B's coach complains fiercely to an official and gets a T. What penalties cancel? Penalties are cancelled in order of occurrence, so the only penalty remaining is for the T on B's coach: any player of team A may shoot the free throws (not necessarily A1, as one may think at first).

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