I was not referring to striking the floor but the other direction. When has the dribble started? As soon as the ball is being pushed, thrown or batted? Where does the push throw or bat begin? Could a player have started his dribble when one hand is in the process of pushing the ball to the floor?
To me it seems that the "Simplified and Illustrated" definition is much clearer in defining that the ball must leave the hand before the pivot foot is lifted. 44-3-C says "The Pivot Foot may not be lifted before the ball is released" and I should realize that the ball must be out of the hand but to me, that is still not as clear as the "Simplified and Illustrated" description.
Obviosly, this rule does not apply to the NBA and NBA moves all seem to trickle down.
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