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Old Wed Dec 24, 2008, 08:44am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust View Post
Show me ANYTHING that remotely supports that. Once the T is called, the game has already started...a foul is recorded in the book. The definition of a "starter" is no longer relevant.
That is wrong, and I can prove it by quoting a rule for you as you have asked. The game begins when the ball first becomes live and that is required before either team can be granted a time-out.

Rule 6
SECTION 2 STARTING GAME/QUARTER
ART. 1 . . .
The game and each extra period begins when the ball becomes live
as specified in 6-1-2 for a jump ball, throw-in or free throw.


5-12-4. . .
A time-out shall not be granted until after the ball has become live
to start the game.


Sorry, but a team cannot substitute freely prior to the first FT attempt awarded for a pregame technical, and the starting line-up definitely still matters. Otherwise rule 3-2-2a would not say "unless...to attempt a technical-foul free throw."

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust View Post
Once the timeout is over and another infraction is called, the ball is now dead not because of the timeout but because of the infraction. In this case, it is a violation. There is no violation that I know of where subs can't enter the game. Once the violation is "called", it will be as if the timeout never occured.
The ball remains dead following the time-out until it becomes live. Anything that happens during that same dead ball period doesn't change it to another dead ball period. There are a couple of things which can happen that will cause another timed interval and reset the sub restrictions, and we've already mentioned those--another time-out, an injury situation, or an unusual delay. The bottom line is that the dead ball remains a dead ball until it becomes live. That's simple.

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Remeber the concept that if something is not detailed as illegal, that it is legal. I don't recall ever seeing anything saying a sub can't come in after a violation.

The substitution rule is obviously written assuming that there are no complicating situations....nothing unusual has occured.
The concept is fine, but in this case we have a rule prohibiting entry. The sub failed to report prior to the warning horn during the time-out. I see nothing that lifts that restriction during this dead ball period. Furthermore, a team warning for delay isn't a violation. It's just an administrative procedure. Says so in the definition provided in 4-47. In fact, only one of the four reasons for such a warning is a violation.
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