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Old Thu Aug 07, 2008, 09:00pm
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Hmmm....

Just as a "point of fact", here is what the MLBUM has to say on the subject (of GMoore's "sub question" and ensuing discussion):

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When a manager makes two or more substitutions at the same time the manager must, at the same moment, advise the plate umpire of the names of the substitutes, their defensive positions, and in what place each will hit in the batting order. The manager cannot give notice of one of the substitutions, leave the umpire, come back to the plate umpire, and locate the other player in the lineup. In case the manager fails or refuses to make a decision, the plate umpire is authorized to decide the necessary batting order changes, and the umpire's decision is final. Just as soon as the substitutions are legal, announcements should be made over the public address system. (The PA. announcer should not make announcement of any substitution until so advised by the plate umpire.)

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If a manager wishes to change pitchers along with one or more other defensive players (intending to interchange the batting order), the manager must inform the umpire before calling for the new pitcher. Motioning to the bullpen is to be considered an official substitution for the new pitcher.

There is no requirement that the manager or coach announce to the umpire a double-switch before crossing the foul line. However, the manager or coach must do so before signaling for a new pitcher, as his signal to the bullpen constitutes a substitution for the pitcher.

It is not permissible for the manager to go to the mound, call for a new pitcher, and then inform the umpire of multiple substitutions with the intention of interchanging the batting order. The plate umpire must be informed of the multiple substitutions before the manager calls for a new
pitcher (if the manager wishes to interchange the batting order).
So, as to GMoore's "sub question", I would go with what Rich Ives said. And, in regard to the DS in the Cubs game the other night, what SDSteve said.

In regard to the MLBUM mandate that the DM provide the umpire with the "defensive positions" of the entering players as well as their repsective positons in the batting lineup, I believe this is in place simply to unambiguously clarify whether the pitcher is being replaced, and , if so, by whom. To me, this requirement is implicit in the rules, because the pitcher (nor the catcher, for that matter) may NOT position himself anywhere he pleases prior to the ball being put in play. Plus, it's just kinda' practical, provides an opportunity to demonstrate you know what you're doing (if you do...), and helps preclude 3rd world situations.

I think the "sub question" would have been fun! But, then I know the "rule".

JM
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