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David Emerling & others:
The information you provided, in and of itself, does not necessarily result in any violations. No 'balk' in either situation.
Please read 8.01 (b).... "From the 'set' position he may deliver the ball to the batter, throw to a base or step backward off the pitcher's plate with his pivot foot. Before assuming the Set Position, the pitcher M A Y elect to make any natural preliminary motion such as that known as "the stretch."
If a pitcher is determined to be in the 'Set Position,' with his hands together in front of his body he can, if he choses to do so, simply step and pitch the ball. Because you don't see it happening on a regular basis doesn't automatically mean that the pitcher is balking. We've all seen pitchers who (Wind Up Position) toe the rubber with their hands together. Visualize this. A pitcher, with his hands together assumes the 'Set Position' while he engages the rubber. He's not required to get or be given a sign by the catcher. The pitcher may just step and throw the ball.
Remember when you're reading a rule and you see "MAY," it simply means that he/she is not mandated to take such action; it's optional.
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Ed
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