[Gold_Spark]

My mistake Bfair. I'll bite your logic and apologize for my general advice. However, I don't totally agree with you and I believe you picked my statement apart in the wrong way.

"First of all . . . if an umpire makes a call. He should never ask for help afterwards. If he was able to see the play good enough and make a call under his own judgement, that is the end of the story."

The above statement is suppose to indicate that the umpire is confident in his call and furthermore, should have no reason to ask for help.

Here's where our discussions differ . . . I say:

" . . . the only reason an umpire asks for help after he makes a call is because he is feeling pressure from the coach."

You say:

"There are factors beyond "feeling pressure from the coach" why a call should be reversed. How about---you blew it, and you know it as well as everyone else in the ballpark.I will agree, however, that if you saw the play and are certain of the call, you should not seek your partner's help merely to appease a complaining coach."

Now I say that if your partner sees something that you didn't . . . then he should call timeout . . . come to you . . . ask you if you saw the same thing and if you didn't . . . from there you can make the decision of whether to reverse a call or not. But that's not you asking for help. How are you supposed to know if you missed something? That's ridiculous logic there.

Furthermore, if you blow a call and you know it and everyone else in the ballpark knows it. Change it right there. Reverse the call yourself. No problem.

Our misunderstanding arises from this statements . . .

"To all umpires. If you make a call. Stand firm with your ruling. If you're out of position to make a call . . . ask for help. Those are your options."

And I understand your side of the story. But this statement coincides with the discussion. It should be taken . . . IN CONTEXT. ------> Pressure from coaches

Therefore . . . I agree 100% with "those who make the rules". And that's why I "read them a little closer" everyday.

"If you have legitimate reason to believe you have blown a call, and you are uncertain of your original call (but you were forced to make that decision due to the play circumstances), getting additional information from a partner may help you get the call correct if the play situation allows for that. Better to correct a call and get it right than look like and be a horse's a$$ by standing by an obviously wrong decision."

If you have legitimate reason to believe you have blown a call . . . what made you make the call in the first place? You call what you see. Bottom line . . . legitimate reason? What? Mental Instant Replay? I don't get it.

I've made calls that I've thought were close. I called them to the best of my ability and was confident that I made the right call.

So are you saying that just because the play was close . . . I should seek help? Seems kinda too dependent to me and if I were coaching, I wouldn't be too confident in the umpire calling the game. (If he had to ask for help on any . . . legitimately close calls)

Give me an example or something Bfair. SHOW me an instance in which your opinion is relevant. But don't just try to throw my "brief experience" back into my face and make me look like an a$$.