I'll give this one a go. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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R3, 2 outs. Batter hits a slow roller to F6. R3 goes on contact and scores easily. The throw to F3 is late but the BR misses the bag as he goes flying by.
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#1: BR overruns the base and does not indicate by his actions that he has missed the base. Nonetheless, F3 keeps his foot on the base and tells the umpire "He missed the bag!"
Is the runner out on appeal?
Does the run count?
#2: Same as #1 accept the F3 tags the BR.
Is the runner out on appeal?
Does the run count?
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In situation 1, the batter-runner was forced to acquire first base. Due to the appeal being upheld, he did not acquire the base he was forced to advance to. The run does not count.
In situation 2, the batter is out and the run again does not count because he did not acquire first base. It doesn't matter if he tags the base or tags the runner- the important thing to remember is that he did not acquire the base he was forced to advance to.
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Also, I'm still not sure about my play where R3 (with the bases loaded) slides past home, missing it, and the catcher retrieves the loose ball and tags the plate while the runner is scrambling back to the plate.
Is the runner out on appeal?
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The runner is safe because action was unrelaxed. From Jaksa/Roder: A missed base appeal of first (overrun) or home occurs when: a) action is relaxed and the allegedly missed base or the suspect runner is tagged or
b) action is unrelaxed and the suspect runner is tagged off base.
In the situation you describe, action was unrelaxed because the runner was scrambling to get back to home and the ball is in the vicinity of the area.
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NEW PLAY: Bases loaded, 2 outs. A hard smash is hit toward F5. He dives and knocks the hot grounder down. The only possible play is on R2. But R2 beats any attempt to force him out but, as he slides by the bag, he completely misses it. F5 recovers the loose ball and tags the base before the runner, attempting to scramble back. can get back to the base.
Is the runner out?
Is this an appeal or a force?
Does the run count?
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This is not an appeal play, and not an out. From Jaksa/Roder: A missed base appeal of first (rounded), second, or third occurs only when action is relaxed and: a) the allegedly missed base is tagged or b) the suspect runner is tagged on another base.
Here is a case play from J/R that is similar to the one you described: R1,R3, two outs, hit and run. Batter singles to right field and R1 passes but does not touch second base. The second baseman recognizes the miss of 2nd, as does the runner, who scrambles back towards second. The second baseman glove the right fielder's throw and tags second base a step ahead of R1's return. Because action is unrelaxed, there is not an appeal. R1 is out only if tagged off base.