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Originally Posted by JRutledge
For the record it does not matter if this takes place at first base or at third, if the runner does not beat a tag or force, they are out.
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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
If the runner doesn't beat the throw, he's OUT!
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JRutledge and Back In The Saddle: Thanks for your posts. Please bear with me. Again, I have no experience with umpiring baseball. According to the wording of the rules I posted, and, for the record, I have no idea whether these rules are NFHS, NCAA, MLB, etc., it seems that the rules differentiate between a base runner, and a batter who becomes a base runner going to first base.
6.05 A batter is out when: After he hits a fair ball, he or first base is tagged
before he touches
first base.
Here, as it relates to time, the rule states the runner must be tagged before he touches first base. So if they were to happen at the same time, the runner would be safe because the runner was not tagged “before”.
7.08 Any runner is out when: He fails to reach the
next base before a fielder tags him or the base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner.
Here it states that the runner must reach the base before the ball, thus a perception of time being a tie, the runner would be out.
Doesn't 6.05 imply that a batter who becomes a runner to first base is safe in the case of a "tie", and, doesn't 7.08 imply that a base runner going to any other base, possibly including a base runner trying to get back to first after a fly ball is caught, is out in the case of a "tie"?
Maybe these rules are wrong, I found them somewhere on the internet, a few years ago, possibly after a misunderstood baseball rules search, or maybe I'm interpreting them wrong? Help? Please.