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Originally posted by crew
bktball ref,
i would consider this similar to a taunt(unsportsmanlike technical foul), kind of like a player bowing his chest into another player. i consider this a physical taunt with the penalty of a technical foul and if this player has been a disruptor previously i would eject. i would give a technical foul or to passify the rule an intentional foul in probly 99% of situatuions that are "nut flicks." this action, to me, is highly unacceptable and should be given a steep penalty.
j.r.
if you have the ability to remove this player from the game by telling the coach to sit him that could possibly be the best for that particular game. the only problem that enters my mind is consistency. what if(unlikely) a player from the other team does a similar act and the coach does not comply with your request to keep him on the bench? also if it were to happen in another game and a different crew ejected or penalized more severely and the coach could react negatively or he could appreciate you for being lenient.
i know i'm getting deep but i enjoy this debate.
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1)Crew,by definition(both in NCAA and Fed rules) you cannot give out a technical foul of any type in this case because the ball is alive.You can only call it a T if the ball is dead.Even if you call it fighting,the rules say it is a flagrant personal foul.It can only be a personal foul of some type,never technical.
2)As for the second question,the doubts that you have are exactly some of the doubts that I had when reading the original sitch.I kept in mind that this was a summer league,rec type of game,not regular season.I think it's kinda tough to answer these types of questions without actually being there.You don't really know if the game had been rough and needed to be cleaned up,if the 2 ballplayers had had something going for a while or if they were buds messing around,how much time was left-which can be a factor(only a minute in this case),how serious the league was on incidents like this,how other guys have been calling this particular league(tight or loose),etc.,etc.I think what I'm trying to say is that I absolutely hate second-guessing other officials in cases like this without actually being there.Myself,I might call ANY of the first three(never the 4th),and hope it does the job for that particular game.I might even second-guess myself later on for the particular choice I made,though.I know this may sound wishy-washy as hell,but it's about the best answer that I can give you.
In a regular game,he's gone!
It is an interesting scenario.
[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Jul 8th, 2002 at 06:33 PM]