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,i> Originally posted by David Emerling
Situation: R2, two outs. Batter gets hit into outfield scoring R2. BR is thrown out at 2nd for the third out trying to stretch his hit into a double. R2 crossed home before R2 was thrown out -BUT- R2 missed the plate, takes a few steps toward the dugout, is informed by a teammate that he missed the plate (which he did), and he retouches. But the retouch occurs *after* BR is tagged out at 2nd.
Here are my questions:
Isn't it true that when R2 "passed" home he was considered to have scored at that time, even if he had missed it? Because, isn't it true that an umpire is not supposed to "recognize" a missed base unless there is an appeal?
When the third out was recorded at 2nd base - wasn't the inning officially concluded? Can live action still continue? Can R2's retouch count? Can't the defense appeal that he missed home even though he came back a retouched?
What's the ruling on plays like this?
As always, I'm interested in both the FED and OBR interpretation on such plays, if different.
David IMO, the FED rule is pretty clear on this.
FED rule 2-20-2
A half-inning is the interval during which one team is on offense (batting) and the other is on defense (fielding). A half inning ends when there is a third out or when, in the last inning, the winning run is scored.
In either case, if there is a delayed out declared by the umpire for a baserunning infraction, a possible fourth out may be recognized (FED rule 9-1-1d,e)
Therefore, in FED, we can recognize an advanatageous 4th out (which we can also do in OBR). In FED, according to the above, the offense is Finished when there are 3 outs so a runner cannot correct their mistake. The umpires however, can recognize the advantageous "4th out"
In OBR, don't have any support yet, I think the same would be true. When we have 3 outs, the inning is over and runners cannot correct their mistakes.
IMO, this is a good play for Papa C to include in next years BRD.
Pete Booth
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