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Dave . . .
I don't think the two of us can find a common ground on this issue.
You have played the "I don't want the kids to get screwed" card . . . yet most umpires I know understand that umpires do not win and lose games. There are just two many things that impact a game to stand that "the kids got screwed".
Dave, there are good calls, bad calls and obvious calls.
THERE IS NO BACKING ANYWHERE for one umpire to over rule the other. You can obviously give ANY information you want to the other umpire(s). Hopefully you would get together out of ear shot and talk through something that you thought was a "necessary" discussion item.
But never have I tried to overrule another umpire and cannot picture it.
Jon Bible talks a bout a great play with a fair/foul call on a home run. Jon saw the ball obviously go foul yet the other umpire called it fair.
Once the argument ensued Jon did everything he could to get his partner to ASK him for help. Once he did Jon explained the FU to the other umpire and THAT UMPIRE REVERSED HIS CALL. Even though Jon KNEW the call was wrong there was no way he was going to overturn the original call.
I am from the same school.
If we are in a position where mechanics and rules ALLOW to ask for help, and we do it (i.e. checked swing)then I support it, however umpires are even directed by the rule book that there is no OVERRULE allowed.
I have cringed my share of times at calls my partner made (and I am sure some of them winced as well) but there is no process to overrule things like safe/out, fair/foul, etc.
Now I fully support the UIC stopping the misapplication of a RULE (base award, etc) but not the correction of judgment calls.
BTW, I worked a game once where my base umpire (from my view at the dish) had a perfect day . . . seven calls on the bases and seven misses. I did nothing but grimace.
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