[just another ref]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

It is VERY COMMON for the flopper to cause contact with flailing arms and legs extended outside their normal frame...can you even have a normal frame while on the floor?

So to simply say no contact no foul is way outside the reality of the situation.

A better way to see it is some contact, that would not have happened without the flop, that while minimal was caused by a questionable act and is a safety issue for the players in the area and the flopper too.

I think I speak for us all when I say "Huh?" A flopper who commits a foul is no longer a flopper but merely a defender who committed a foul by using poor defensive technique. As for the safety issue because of a questionable act I believe I would need some more information.