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Originally Posted by just another ref
The uniform alone means nothing. The fact that they are warming up with the team is quite significant. Combine the two and I consider that to be an affiliation. The other eligibility issues you refer to are not NFHS rules, so they are not my problem. Also, if a player has 5 fouls and is seated on the bench, he is no longer eligible to play, but he is still bench personnel and is subject to restrictions therein.
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OK! So if they are in uniform and take it upon them selves to shoot around with the JV team and one of the Varsity members dunks then leaves the floor your still "whacking"?
What if the varsity players are standing along the endline in uniform and one of them just grabs a ball and dunks it. No other varsity members are warming up. You still whacking and defining them as JV team members?
As far as your point about a DQ'd player not being eligible. Your right 100% but he/she is bench personnel. Read the case plays I mentioned before. Misconduct while ON the bench.
The question of this debate is that these players are never going to sit on the bench, they are never going to be in the book. They are non team members who shouldn't be allowed to warm up with the JV team during the JV's pre game warm up period.
Your only reasoning behind them being affiliated is that they have the same/nearly the same uniform on and that they are warming up with the JV team. I understand that if a player dunks then we know we should have a "T" but once (Like JR pointed out) we notify the team member and he says something like,"I was fooling around. I'm not on the JV team." We can't assess the penalty because he isn't apart of the team.
Lets say you let the Varsity warm up with the JV team. You have been notified of this and think its no big deal. You consider all of the Varsity members as affiliates. Warm ups go on with out any problems. Warm ups are over JV players go to their bench and the Varsity players sit 2 or 3 rows up in the stands.
During the game you hear and see one of the Varsity players make what you define as a unsporting comment. Would you penalize this with a Bench "T" since they warmed up with the JV and are dressed the same? Are you considering them bench personnel ,since by your reasoning ,they are affiliates of the JV team?
Of course you wouldn't. So you have to see where your argument of considering them affiliates doesn't hold up. They can't be team members for part of the time and not all of the time. They are either affiliates or not.