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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
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I know you are that well versed on the rules so let me guide you through the play.
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I'm thinking that maybe your explanation of the rules wouldn't be relevant here since you have yet to cite any applicable rules that support your explanation! Other then, "those are the rules."
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Originally Posted by MTD
You enter the court for the JV game 15 minutes before game time. You count 15 players in uniform for Team A and they are all warming-up. You do NOT go to each and ever player and ask them if they are a JV or a VAR player. That is NOT your job.
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Of course were not going to do this. Again comprehension is the key in debating a topic. In the OP the "R" found out they were Varsity players when the # of players on the floor didn't match up to the book!
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Originally Posted by MTD
The fact that they are in uniform and warming up implies that they are going to play in the JV game.
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Rarely does the JV uniforms match exactly to the Varsity Uniforms. In fact the warm-ups are usually different. So I'm sure this would be a dead give away.
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Originally Posted by MTD
It is only after one of the Team A players, that are warming up, dunks the ball do you discover that the player that dunked the ball and 4 other players are not JV players but are VAR players.
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If this were to happen & the JV coach states that the player is a Varsity player I wouldn't have any rule substantiation to penalize the act of a non team member. I would have GAME MANAGEMENT or the VHC clear those players and any non team members off of the floor. If the player that dunked doesn't sit on the bench and isn't in the book then he is by RULE defined as a non team member.
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Originally Posted by MTD
Charge the VAR player with a direct TF, the JV Head Coach with and indirect TF and tell the JV Head Coach to get the VAR players off the court.
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How in the world are you going to charge a "T" to a person who isn't a member of the team. If you did then does that "T" carry over into the Varsity contest? Does it count toward DQ? I know, your going to add him to the book and assess a ADMIN "T". Please enlighten us and give specific rule reference to this. Not just, "those are the rules."
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Originally Posted by MTD
And as far as the student coming out of the stands scenario, to say that any official, except, should I dare utter the name Old School, would whack the student is absurd and tells me that the official does not know the rules.
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According to these so called rules that you are invoking. If you can assess a DTF to a non member of the JV team then Surely by your rule book you can assess a DTF to the fan, add the fan to the book, and assess a ADMIN "T" to the JVHC for the roster change after the 10 minute mark.
I mean its the same thing. The rule book is clear on what is a team member. If their not a team member then what are they defined as? You made it clear on what you think should happen however if your so sure your right then the rules should back you up.
Show me in the rule book where the Varsity players would be considered team members of the JV team. If you can do that then I can go along with you on the DTF's, IDTF, etc....
