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Originally posted by greymule
However, in the standard case of a regular pitch that goes up off the bat, I've always used the "over the head" criterion and never had a problem (of course, that doesn't mean it's right). And anything fair cannot be a foul tip, obviously.
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Aad, many have called a pitched ball that hits the hads a foul ball, because the hands are part of the bat, and never had a problem. That doesn't make it right (but it might make it the proper interpretation for that local league).
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But philosophically, is it still a foul tip if it is slowed perceptibly by the bat? If it spins off to the side or slightly up? Can a bunt that spins up 4" and hits the catcher in the mask still be caught for an out? If it is slowed quite perceptibly but doesn't rise at all and simply falls into the catcher's mitt?
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In most instances (all but two that I know of) a "foul tip" is the same as a "swing and a miss". It's treated that way because it happens so fast and becuase the catcher can't really react to it.
If the ball reacts differently than a "swing and a miss" I'd treat it as not a foul tip -- an out in your examples.