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Old Sun Jan 13, 2008, 12:39am
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. is offline
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Originally Posted by Gimlet25id
Well I think we can agree that this coach would need to be penalized. We will just have to agree to dis agree on how to penalize the comment.

Would my Supervisor ( I do work college basketball) be upset with me if I gave a Bench Technical in reference to the OP? No! In fact I agree that if I didn't I could get reprimanded for not doing it. Would my Supervisor dis agree with a Flagrant "T" on a comment to a player like the OP...maybe, maybe not. Either way I'm still penalizing the coach and turning it over to the supervisor.

I know for sure with the Bench Technical I'm covered by the rules. The Flagrant "T" I'm not so sure. If I'm tossing player/coach I'm making damn sure that I'm rule supported. This was the main reason for my reference to losing games by kicking a rule administration. (Rule administration being extremely important @ the NCAA level) Has nothing to do if the supervisor would back me or not.

BTW...for the last couple of years the NCAA said on more than one occasion that profanity by coaches in huddles is not acceptable because of television microphones.

When has the NCAA said this? Was it in a bulletin, regional clinic, or the rule book? I haven't seen the bulletin, I have been to the last few regional clinics& I can't find the reference in the rule book.

I can however see game management reminding the teams if it is a TV game. Come to think of it, you really don't see camera's inside the huddle to often, primarily because they are going to commercial to pay the bills. In fact most feeds are on a delay which helps prevent such things.

Let me reemphasize that this IMHO!!!!

Gimlet:

I am a bald old geezer who has been officiating boys'/girls' H.S. for 37 years, women's college for 34 years, and men's college for 15 years; that means I was officiating H.S. and college basketball before you were even a gleam in your father's eye and I am a generation of officials that believe that has not succumb to the philosophy of chest thumping, in your face, get out of my house type of sportsmanship that has become the norm in sports today. The huddle conduct that I mentioned was addressed in a bulletin a number of years ago. It seems that the presidents of NCAA Div. I schools really "care" about how their school are perceived by the public. Div. I college coaches are extremely well compensated professionals and they should conduct themselves accordingly, and telling a player to "beat the hell" out of an opposing player is not appropriate conduct of an extremely well compensated professional to conduct himself.

Personally, I cannot believe a Div. I coach would ever make such a comment within earshot of an official. But if he did he should be held to the same high standard that a 7th grade coach: ejection. I do not believe this a “lets agree to disagree” discussion. As long as we take the position that boys will be boys, then game conduct will only get worse. If you are afraid that you will lose college games if you toss a college coach, then get out of the game. Any supervisor that would not support you is not worth working for because he will sell you done the river any chance he gets because he has no scruples.

MTD, Sr.
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