Originally Posted by Suudy
Doh. It was late, I wasn't thinking correctly. Of course b) and c) are loose ball plays. We discussed this before when talking about how a QB can "fix" a sack by fumbling when tackled by the facemask.
For example, 2nd and 20 from the A40. A8 takes the snap, and under heavy pressure scrambles backwards. At the A25, B51 grabs and pulls A8's facemask. a) A8 is tackled at the A25, b) A8 fumbles and B61 recovers at the A23.
In a), it is 2nd and 20 from the A40. In b) it is 2nd and 5 from the B45. Right?
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Originally Posted by refbuz
I don't think that your enforcements are right here. Aren't the enforcement spots in both of these scenarios the End of A's Run? In both scenarios the "run" ends at the A25.
Don't we have 2nd & 30 for A @ A30, or did I miss something?
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You're right, enforcement spot for both is A25. Suudy is calling a 15 yarder on the FM for "pulling" so it would be 2nd and 20.
In sitch B, Suudy is mistaken a loose ball for a loose ball play.