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Originally Posted by Old School
2) The rule says at approximately the same time. So I guess you want to have a big arguement about the definition of approximately? I could have called a technical on the 2nd foul which would have given the player multiple foul shots and the ball back.
2)JR, I'm sure that I did something wrong by your standards here. Fact of the matter is, when players start knocking other players to the floor after the whistle, I'm going to call something.
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1) Yup, the rule defining a
"multiple foul" certainly does say that. And you certainly could also call an intentional or flagrant contact technical foul on the second foul too,
IF the ball was dead on the first foul call. If you do call a technical foul though, then you
CAN'T call a multiple foul. The definition of a "multiple foul" in the rules says that only
personal fouls can be part of a multiple foul, not technical fouls. If you did call a multiple foul with one of the fouls being a technical foul, then "approximately at the same time" does NOT come into effect because it can't be a multiple foul. You'd screw up the penalties completely too, calling it the way that you suggest. The penalties for the fouls called as part of a multiple foul are completely different than the penalties awarded for a common foul followed by a technical foul. If the player wasn't shooting, then there wouldn't be any FT's if the multiple personal fouls didn't put the team in the bonus. If they were in the bonus, there would only be 1 FT for each foul. And there's all kinds of other combinations available on multiple fouls also, depending on whether the player was fouled was in the act of shooting, or whether the ball went in or not. You have to know all of these different penalty applications if you want to get the call right and award the proper number of FT's.
2) JMO, I don't have a problem with you calling something when a player gets knocked to the floor. I sureashell do have a problem if you're making the wrong call and handing out the wrong penalties though, and also telling others to do it your way. You simply do not understand the rules. That's my point.