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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA
Speaking ASA, not sure about others
Not so. By rule (8.3.B), a runner which passes a base is considered to have touched the base. Well, if they are considered to have touched the base, then they must be safe. Of course, they are still in jeopardy via an appeal.
This is where the difference between some baseball and softball occurs.
Many baseball umpires, usually old timers, consider calling a runner safe and then out on an appeal as a "reversal" of the same call and consider it to show weakness in an umpire. Same mentality when being asked to go for help.
In softball, it is considered two independent rulings. Some consider it "coaching" a team if no call is made, thus tipping off one or the other of a problem.
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I think you misunderstood what I was saying in this post. Maybe I should have been more clear. What I was trying to say was that they had attained the base (which is why during this whole discussion i have said "their entire body has passed the base") and were therefore "safe", but they aren't really safe until they go back and retouch first because they are at risk to be put out on appeal.
You know, I have never had a problem asking for help on a call. I know for a fact when there a runners on second or third and I am way across the infield there are plays that are difficult to see a pulled foot at first. I can think of one play that happened not too long ago. bases loaded 1 out, line drive to F4 who throws to first. From where I was I couldn't make a clear call if F3 was on the base w/ the ball before the runner was back. Called time and conferred..... I believe in making 1 call, and it being the right call. If you have to get together to make that call so be it.