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Originally Posted by just another ref
Are there cases where it is uncertain what A1's intention is when he releases the ball? Certainly there could be, in which case one might wait a little longer to let the play unfold. But there are also case when it is quite obvious that when A1 releases the ball it is indeed a dribble, nothing else, and if he has no dribble, when this ball hits the floor it is a violation. I'm done.
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
There is a specific case where A1 intends to pass the ball, but A2 runs away and A1 goes and recovers the ball (after it bounces. The "pass" becomes a "dribble."
It seems to me (and this is just an opinion) that the opposite is also true -- a "dribble" can become a "pass".
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Originally Posted by just another ref
If you can describe a specific case of this, I'd be glad to kick it around.
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I quoted the NFHS ruling(interp) to which bob refers, in which A1 intends to throw a pass, but it turns into a dribble, way back in post #16 of this thread.
As for the second part, there is strong evidence in the case book that the player does indeed need to
be the first to touch the ball after it bounces for the action to constitute a dribble and thus a violation. Presumably, in either of the cases below, if the player simply left the ball alone after it hit the floor, then a teammate could come along and grab it. The action would turn into a legal pass, and no violation should be called.
4.44.3 SITUATION A: A1 jumps to try for goal. B1 also jumps and: (a) slaps the ball out of A1's hands; (b) touches the ball but does not prevent A1 from releasing the ball; (c) touches the ball and A1 returns to the floor holding the ball; or (d) touches the ball and A1 drops it to the floor and touches it first after it bounces. RULING: In (a) and (b), the ball remains live. In (c), a traveling violation. In (d), a violation for starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor. Since the touching did not prevent the pass or try in (b), (c) and (d), the ball remains live and subsequent action is covered by rules which apply to the situation.
4.44.3 SITUATION B: A1 receives the ball with both feet off the floor and he/she lands simultaneously on both feet without establishing a pivot foot. A1 then jumps off both feet in an attempt to try for goal, but realizing the shot may be blocked, A1 drops the ball to the floor and dribbles. RULING: A1 has traveled as one foot must be considered to be the pivot and must be on the floor when the ball is released to start a dribble. The fact that no pivot foot had been established does not alter this ruling.