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Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by Bart Tyson
JR, I think I figured out the problem. You and maybe some others are looking at the rule book 6-7-5. Mark Dexter and I are asking you to look at the Case book 6-7-5.
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Again, I'll say it -- rules are denoted with dashes (e.g., 6-7-5) and cases with periods / dots (e.g., 6.7.5). This is actually listed in the case book -- FOreword, page 5.
BTW, I agree with Mark T.D. -- the whistle doesn't cancel the violation. If A misses the throw after play is resumed, s/he gets another throw because of the violation.
I'm not sure that's the way I would have written the rule, but that's the way I'll enforce it given how it is written.
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Bob,the whistle doesn't cancel the violation.The whistle does cancel the FT if the ball isn't in the air.The penalty for the violation and cancelled FT is a substitute FT,just like the case book says(even though the language is ambiguous).If you award the foul shooter 2 replacement FT's,aren't you penalizing B twice for committing 1 violation?Or awarding 1 shot for the violation and a possible extra shot for the official's mistake?What do you do if A then violates after the inadvertant whistle but before the FT is in the air,or while the first FT is in the air?By the logic that Mark is using,you would cancel one FT but still have a replacement FT.In other words,you have a violation by each team,but B still gets screwed because of the inadvertant whistle.I don't think that really is the intent of the rule.There is also no such animal like a "delayed dead ball" that you can use after the whistle is blown.You have to re-administer the FT to make the ball alive again.As I said before,I might be wrong-but I'd like to see a AR on this one before I admit it.