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Originally Posted by CoachP
Sigh........After either violation by B1 (a kick or a slap OOB), A1 gets the ball to throw in.
Case 1 (A with an AP throw in): B1 "legally" slaps ball OOB. A1 gets another Throw-in, but B now gets the arrow.
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Excuse me coach, not to be argumentative but it is not legal to slap the ball OOB. Rule 9 Violations and Penalties Section 3 Art. 1 says a player shall not cause the ball to go OOB. So, it is an illegal act to slap the ball OOB, it is a violation by rule. You say it is LEGAL, I say it is not. I am supported by the definition in the rule book. You base your argument (which btw is a legitimate argument) that you should not lose the arrow on a kick ball violation. I agree you shouldn’t. So how do we define this in writing. Very simple. The APTI does not end on an OOB violation by the defense.
For example; the ability to run the endline on an inbound after a made basket doesn’t end if I (the defense) should kick the ball on the inbound. I still have the ability to run the endline after the kicking violation. However, if I reach in and foul, that’s a different story.
BTW, remember that the AP replaced the jump ball. So in the event of a held ball, either team has a FAIR chance to receive possession. Fast forward that to the current APTI, we have done away with the fair chance or fair play of the situation. We have circumvented the jump ball/AP rule to something that doesn't even resemble what the original intent of the rule was. Now that the arrow is in your favor, defense doesn't have a fair chance to play the ball, because if I should happen to kick the ball, you get to keep the arrow for the next held ball. That’s BS.
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Originally Posted by CoachP
Case 2 (A with an AP throw in): B1 "illegally" kicks the ball. A1 gets another throw-in. A keeps the arrow.
Why punish "A" for something B committed illegally?
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How about I rephrase your question. Why terminate the APTI when legal possession was never obtained and the same team is still inbounding the ball? Why? It matters not that I kick it OOB or legally slap it OOB (which btw, is an illegal act by rule). Unless we have a foul, we should still be under the APTI. Just like I can't have a kick ball violation if I'm tossing the ball in the air on the jump, center circle. However, if I foul or slap it OOB on or after my jump toss, possession is obtained to my opponent legally. The difference is, I have a fair chance to get possession on the next held ball.
I think we are over administering the APTI.