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Originally Posted by Shmuelg
So, you are saying that if, in the OP, the runner would have remained on base, and the interference intentional, both he and the batter would have been out?
But if the runner, as in the OP, was off base, and the interference intentional, only the runner is out?
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No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying (I guess for the third time now) that interference on a foul pop-up is not a double play situation.
Since in the OP, the defense wasn't going to get 2 outs on the play, I'm not going to over-penalize the offense for their infraction by awarding 2 outs.
The only possible reason I can see for arguing that the BR should also be called out is that without interference the fielder would have caught the foul pop-up. True: but then R3 would still be on 3B, not out for interference.
You seem mostly concerned with this statement:
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If the umpire declares the hindrance intentional, the following penalty shall apply: With less than two out, the umpire shall declare both the runner and batter out. With two out, the umpire shall declare the batter out.
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I don't have the MLBUM, but it seems to me that this rule is intended to make the defense "whole" (to use lawyerspeak) when they might have had a double play. This rule says that the base is not safe haven for runners who interfere, and that the usual penalty for illegally breaking up a double play applies.
I do not interpret this clause as applying to a pop-foul.