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Originally Posted by TussAgee11
Similar but different...
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Is that kind of like jumbo shrimp?
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a) F3 steps on bag, then tags runner. (obviously 1 out, R1 remains)
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Yes.
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b) F3 tags runner who is on base, then steps on base (2 out correct? R1 forced to advance and is not protected by the base?).
Seems clear but I just wanted clarification.
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Yes because R1 is not entitled to first since it is a force situation (exactly what you said).