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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
How many titles did the player produce? Is that your standard?
That's not a good argument for drafting Oden, the big guy who plays center, instead of the talented forward, Durant.
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First of all I do not know that it is a "standard." I do know that when you draft players missing the playoffs all together cannot be the goal. And yes if they draft Oden over Durant or Durant over Oden, I would hope that trying to win a title is part of their objective. If it is not, then someone will not have a job. You do not need a high draft pick to not make the playoffs.
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Why? Let me point out a big man named Patrick Ewing. Tremendous college player, excellent pro player, ZERO NBA titles.
BTW a parallel between Oden and Ewing is that both took their teams to the NCAA title game as freshman and lost.
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Once again I think you have a hard time understanding some basic concepts. The success of a player is not just titles, but at the very least getting a chance to win a title. Patrick Ewing was close many times to winning a title and even made the finals. If it was not for John Starks and his drought in Game 7, Ewing just might have won a title. McGrady has never gotten past the first round of the playoffs and KG has went years of not making the playoffs at all and has also struggled in the post season. There was even a time when KG could not get past the first round either but did get to the Western Conference finals and the following year miss the post season all together. I believe that Oden will likely change the dynamic of that team to the point they might be competing for a title if he stays healthy. Durant needs a point guard and likely another big man to even compete on a consistent basis. Oden will make a point guard better and will make other players around him because they will have a stop defender around the basket. Of course time will tell but I usually having a big man that is productive is more likely to make an average team into a Champion. Even the Bulls did not have a dominate center but they had one of the all time best clutch players on that team. Durant would have some big shoes to fill to do that on his own. So far KG and McGrady have not even come close and they play much more like Durant than Oden does. Remember who won the title last year? Oden may not be a dominate scorer like Shaq, but he is closer to having an affect on his team than Durant will based on what we have seen so far. Also remember who was in the NCAA Finals this year.
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