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Originally posted by greymule
Thank you, Carl.
OK. I accept that if the force was on when the runner missed the bag, the appeal is a force. If the force was off when the runner missed the bag, the appeal is not a force. I now have that in a frame on the wall.
I can also see that the order of appeals would be crucial where one is a tag play and the other is a force play. You make sure you appeal the tag play first so you can get the third out on the force play.
Now just tell me that I am right in the following play and I will cease and desist being a mule: R1 on 3B, R2 on 2B, R3 on 1B, no outs. B4 hits an inside the park home run. R1 scores, R2 misses 3B, R3 misses 2B, and B4 misses 1B. Each runner missed a base to which he was forced at the time he missed it. Therefore, no matter in which order the defense appeals, all three outs are considered force plays. If all three appeals are upheld, no runs score, including R1's.
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Mule:
You're halfway to Missouri.
Stay with me now.
When all outs are made on appeal, we care only what the status of the base is AT THE TIME OF THE APPEAL, not when the runner missed the base.
(That's something the dilettantes on McGriff's could never get their fingers on.)
Why? Because that's what the PBUC staff said, and for that reason only.
You MIGHT parse the book and come up with a phrase here, a clause there, that means such is not black letter law and therefore not a "good" ruling.
Who cares? There's nothing in the OBR about the theory of the intervening play either. Or the time of the pitch. Or when a runner advances beyond a missed base, when is it too late to be corrected? Or a whole raft of other issues.
I'm using international notation now:
So in your play where three runners miss "force" bases, if the defense appeals B1 first, R3 will NOT score after the other two runners are appealed, whatever the order of their appeals.
If the defense appeals R2 at third first, R1 at second second, and B1 at first, third (still with me?), every out has the effect of a force, and the third out was made by the batter-runner's failure to reach first base, so....