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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
Okay then, let's put it in simpler terms, hoping that you can understand: A mask that can be worn without a helmet is a traditional mask, and those masks are not allowed to be worn without a helmet under FED rules. You said that a catcher can wear a traditional mask (one without a helmet, remember), and that is false. Catchers are not allowed to wear traditional masks, because traditional masks are ones which are not worn with helmets, which are required.
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Once again you wallow in semantics. That is not what I said. I said nothing about the helmet or what can be worn with or without the mask. I simply said that a traditional mask can be worn under the rules. Now they sell them in stores all the time. If you have not idea what that is, not sure I can help you. Remember I was responding to a person that said they could only wear a HSM under the rules. Now where in the rules is that stated? Actually the helmet they wear does not have to be attached in any way with the mask. That to me is a "traditional" mask. The same kind of mask I wore when I played and the one that they sell more often to umpires (at least in style).
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
The mask that JM pictured cannot be worn independently from the helmet, as there is no top pad. Other such masks that use helmets are also non-traditional in nature. The only masks which are traditional do not require a helmet in order to wear them.
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I do not recall that I only reference the picture that JM showed.
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve
I'm not debating semantics with you. I'm pointing out the inaccuracy of your statement. I know what is a traditional mask, and what is not, thank you very much for your unsolicited input on the subject.
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What I said was not inaccurate at all. Because you are only debating what you think a "traditional" mask is. We are talking about masks, not the form of helmet. The person that I responded to said we should be required to wear a helmet like is required by the rules for the players. The players do not have to wear a HSM at all. There is no such rule. If you find the rule, then please reference it. Show me and everyone where this is stated then when you do not find it; I would like you to admit that you were wrong. We know that will never happen from you.
Peace