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Originally Posted by umpire99
Worked an earlier game last night and stuck around for the second game. Here is what I saw:
FED rules. R1 and R2 with two one out. Deep fly ball over F8's head. F8 chases down the ball and makes a diving catch. U2 is standing right in front of second base (didn't go out on the play). After the catch is made, U2 makes absolutely no signal. Now we have a runner on every base as both runners moved up and the batter is standing on first. While everybody was confused, the centerfielder got the ball in and the shortstop tagged second base. While the umpires were talking it over, the defense realized that R2 had tagged up and R1 had not. The shortstop then took the ball (while dead) and tagged first. The umpires came out and said that U1 had seen the obvious catch and that the runner on first was out for not tagging up.
More on the umpires comments later.
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What was done right? What was done wrong?
It appears that nothing was done right. let's take them one at a time
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Deep fly ball over F8's head. F8 chases down the ball and makes a diving catch. U2 is standing right in front of second base (didn't go out on the play). After the catch is made, U2 makes absolutely no signal.
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In a 2 / 3 person system umpires do not go out when there are runners on base. I will assume 2 person crew.
U2 has the catch / no catch and the tag up at second. The PU has the call at 3rd should there be a play there. U2 has to call "something" right or wrong. He didn't so that is mistake number 1.
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The shortstop then took the ball (while dead) and tagged first. The umpires came out and said that U1 had seen the obvious catch and that the runner on first was out for not tagging up.
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Another blunder. In FED you cannot place either team at a disadvantage because of umpire error. Also, a runner cannot be played upon during a dead ball situation. Runners during a dead ball situation may correct their base-running errors upon acceptance of an award, but they are not in jeopardy of being put out. You can have a dead ball appeal in FED but that doesn't seem to be the case in your thread.
Here is where I would place the runners.
R2 tagged up properly so I would leave him at third base as the umpire error had no effect on him. The BR is obviously out but I would put R1 back at first because he was effected by umpire error. Therefore, we have runners at the corners and 2 outs let's play.
Pete Booth