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Originally posted by Self
Is a player in control of a ball when he is spinning it on his finger. I say yes, but he is not holding or dribbling.... Again it goes back to judgement, every word for control can not be established. Back to Bob statement which you agreed with, "hand under ball he has control", I have no problem with this. But he never said he was holding the ball. Only that he felt that hand under ball established control.
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In my opinion, if a player allows the ball to come to rest with hie hand under it, the ball is spinning on his finger, or the ball is spinning in his hand, he is holding it. Nowhere have I said or have I ever read that the ball had to be at a stop for it to be held. Read JR's post below. He makes a correct comparison below about palming and the ball coming to rest.
Have you ever officiated volleyball? The same situation exists. As long as the player is using finger action to bat the ball, she has not held it. But if the hand is under the ball and she lifts it, she has held it. This sitation is no different.
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This was said 30 posts ago. That I felt the player has established control. The argument was he has to be holding or dribbling. You just agreed that hand under ball establishes control. Bob Jenkins never said he was holding it, never siad the ball came to rest.
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Yes, I did agree with Bob and I've explained why above. And you didn't say this 30 posts ago. This is only your second post in this thread, on the same page as your first. If you're referring to zimp, on the other board, I gotta tell you: I don't always read zimp posts.