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Originally Posted by Bainer
I'm not sure that this was a fourth out question.
I had a very similar play on the weekend and the plate ump made a knee-jerk call- and got it wrong- even though we all tried to correct him.
Our problem, and the one I see in this question is- with two outs, we've got a timing play, and the run counts before the out- but our plate ump (and maybe this one too) was unsure as to whether the 3rd out- the throw to get the runner who failed to tag up- was a force or not.
Ours was a throw back to 1st behind a runner on the move, with r3 tagging up and scoring just before the throw beat the runner back to first.
Bainer.
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Bainer, in yours the run scores.
In the OP, the reason this IS a 4th out sitch is that after the 3rd, the run does score, but the defense still retains the ability to get the SCORING runner out for leaving early, thus nullifying his run (with a "4th" out).