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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
You're obviously not reading my posts. I posted twice exactly when I'll do this. I also posted when I do not do this & exactly why.
Go back, reread the thread, & try again. You can do much better than this.
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Well, let's see. Here' s your first post.
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
This is getting silly.
If you're standing next a coach and he mutters "Timeout on the make" during any part of a free throw - or while his player or an opponent puts up a field goal attempt - then give it to him. Just give him the TO & move on.
IMO to make him ask again makes you an annoying irritant.
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Second post.
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Can anyone provide a rules reference for this btw?
I didn't look in the nfhs book but from what I can tell the ncaa book does not constrain a coach/player to request a TO only during the time it can be granted. It only says when the official may actually grant a request after it is requested.
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Third post.
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Thanks.
Although in the case play it does say the request shall be denied, we can infer that the request shall be denied at that time only to be granted at a later time. Where does it say a request that is made at the wrong time needs to be resubmitted?
FWIW, the relevant ncaa rule is under 5-9, which says:
Art. 3. Grants a player’s visual or oral request for a timeout, such request being granted when:
a. The ball is in control or at the disposal of a player of his or her team.
Exception 1: After the throw-in starts, no timeout shall be granted to the opponents of the throw-in team.
Exception 2: No timeout may be granted during an interrupted dribble.
b. The ball is dead.
c. A disqualified or injured player(s) has been replaced when a substitute(s) is available.
Art. 4. Grants a coach’s request for a timeout, such request being granted only when the coach’s team is in possession of the ball (this includes throwins and free throws) or when the ball is dead. The official must be certain the request was made by the head coach.
I don't see any related AR's.
FWIW2, when I can't grant a request per rule during a loose ball etc I do ask "still want it" when the the coach's team takes control of the ball. Often enough this is a gut reaction by the coach, or even a premediated attempt to get a TO when he knows it's not to be granted by rule. When a coach asks prematurely and conditionally for a TO (ie requests on the make when a shot/FT is in the air) I grant it without re-asking on the make. He's a big boy, I'm assuming he knows what he wants in this case.
As someone else said, it's just what I do. If you feel the need to do differently then do so.
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Fourth post.
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Well, if at the half he asks for a TO at the first dead ball with under 1 minute left he is a stupid ****er.
Even in NC I suppose.
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At which point I asked "LOL! That's my point. At what point do you allow a coach to request a TO for later and at one point do you draw the line?"
Fifth post.
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
It sez when the official is allowed to recognize the request.
It sez nothing at all about when the request should be made.
If it was as clear as you make it out to be the rule would say
"The game clock ...shall be stopped when an official recognizes a request by the head coach or a player for a time out that is made after a goal until the subsequent throw-in begins".
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Sixth post.
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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
I already told you.
If he requests a TO on the make during a FT or while a shot's in the air.
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Sorry my friend, but nowhere in those first 5 posts do you address my question. I'm addressing the principle of requesting of TO in advance. You'll do it on a FT but not at other times? How about duyring a loose ball? How is that different?
I'm done, before I make you mad.
