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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Rut's entire post would've been fine if he'd just said "This is why I need to leave girls basketball in Chicago alone."
He was simply making the point that girls ball in his area, whatever that area is, stinks (especially when compared to boys basketball).
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No, his post would not have been fine or accurate with that statement. There are good teams in Chicago, and I have seen them play. Not all of them, and yes some administrators will tolerate low level coaching in the girls arean that they don't tolerate for boys. By the way USA Today has one girls team (Chicago area) and ZERO boys teams from IL ranked in the top 15 - gotta go to #24 on the boys side of the house to find a ranked IL team. In the midwest rankings, two Chicago area girls teams, one boys team. Who's playing the high level ball? Or is all girls ball nationally that bad (refer to gender disparagement!)?
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Coach, respectfully, you missed my point. Rut was NOT trying to disparage an entire gender.
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Chuck, respectfully, you are relatively new (August 2001) and I suggest you refer back to previous Jrut rants on the subject of girls bball over the past two years. I have seen consistent disparagement of a gender. I see no other purpose for his post, and I doubt I would see a similar post on boys ball if he was party to a travesty on that side of the court (and those do happen, too, although maybe not as much). I can't believe he has never had a poorly played, poorly coached, poorly administered boys game, but I will bet that he never posted something like "that's why I shouldn't ref boys ball!"
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Finally, coach, if you've really seen the same games that Rut has seen, how have you come to such drastically different conclusions? You've seen the same teams play, but you think the games have only a slightly lower skill level than boys; while Rut thinks they're nearly unwatchable. Since Rut's actually working the games, I'd have to think that he has a pretty good perspective on them. Maybe you should consider the possibility that the girls who play should be taught, encouraged, applauded and supported vigorously; but that -- at least in Rut's neck of the woods -- they actually stink. I don't think there's any problem with admitting that (if it's the truth), and I don't think there's any reason to take offense at it.
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I have not seen the same games, but I have seen Illinois (and even Chicago, Illinois) girls ball and it can be quite well played. I think its a load of $%^& to say that Chicago does not have quality girls ball. And having gone to watch teams to observe strategy, I can assure you that his caracterizations of the game he witnessed are not typical of girls ball in IL. You may not think much of coach's rule knowledge, but please give us credit (at least some of us) for understanding the game and knowing what is happening. I don't watch these games as a casual fan but as a student and teacher of the game, and I like both girls and boys ball.
And I have seen numerous games where one boys team blows out another and it degenerates into the same kind of mindless activites - stupid lobs into the third row, threes being jacked by centers with a 10% shooting average, etc. The junk may be more athletic, but it is still junk at any level.
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Nobody is saying that girls shouldn't play basketball. But for some officials, it just isn't rewarding or fun to work those games.
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Fine - but there is no need to unload in this post about the poor quality of play and leave readers with the impression that this is a problem with girls ball in general, and only in girls ball. If you don't like it, don't do it, but don't dedicate this space to your disparaging comments about how one gender plays the game. Say what you will Chuck, but if you study your history on this board, you will see that I am right about the bias in Jruts statements. And they don't hold up to independent observation, IMO.
[Edited by Hawks Coach on Dec 18th, 2001 at 01:55 PM]