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Originally posted by shipwreck
That's off line from what I am asking. I am saying if as PU you call a strike on a batter you don't go for help since you saw something that convinced you it was a strike. So in Little Jimmy's post he said the fielder made a sweeeping tag attempt and the PU called her out and then went for help which was then overturned. If they were not sure shouldn't they have called her safe and then went for help and if they were sure there was a tag then why go to your partner? I just want to get it right. Dave
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I understood what you said.
Are you 100% sure of every call you make when you make it? Do you call what your eyes and brain tell you what happened?
For as much as we know, the ball beat the runner and the BU lost sight of the glove with the ball in it behind the runner's body that may have blocked out the umpire. There are many plays like this during the course of the game.
You call what you see. The BU may have believed he saw a tag and then had second thoughts. Personally, I'm going to make the call and let the play finish.
I'm not saying the BU was 100% on the manner in which s/he went for help, just that the book now instructs the umpire to make a call if at all possible.
You are debating whether the umpire should have to see a tag before calling a player out. I contend that umpires routinely make calls without being 100% sure the actual tag was made. A sweep tag on the BR is a perfect example. Often the BU sees F3 sweep the glove toward the back of the BR. The PU, if trailing, gets a two-dimensional look at F3's glove passing by the BR. However, it's very likely that neither were close enough or had the perfect angle to see if the BR was actually touched. Yet, an umpire will call this player out based upon the BR's reaction, a sound which the umpire believed was contact or the umpire's eyes just reasoned contact had to be made.