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You're adding (or, well, subtracting) assumptions to the original post.
The OP specifically said that the umpire COULD tell that the ball was held securely when the tag was made, and then was knocked loose during the second contact. If you could see that, you have an out.
I agree with you that in a case where you have a tag followed by a loose ball, you have to KNOW there was control during the tag to have an out.
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