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If the requirement for an out includes the touching of some object while in possession of the ball, the instant that object is touched while the player is in possession of the ball, you have an out. (This applies to any instance of getting an out by touching a base with anything other than the ball or a gloved ball).
If the requirement for an out includes the touching of some object (ie the runner or a base) with the ball itself or a gloved ball, and the ball becomes dislodged because of the contact between that object and the ball or the gloved ball, you don't have an out (this applies to any tag (whether a force play or not) and any instance where a fielder is attempting to touch a base with the ball or gloved ball).
Seems wordy, but it's easy to interpret and easy to back up via rule.
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