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Then how would you call this play...
Throw to retire batter-runner at first base draws the first baseman into the path of the runner. First baseman SECURES the throw and tags the runner just before the collision. Both players tumble to the ground and the ball then falls out of the first baseman's mitt.
First baseman had control of the ball during the tag.
Length of time between the tag and the loss of possession should not be a factor.
In the afore-mentioned play, that was ONE play and the catcher did not complete the play satisfactorily to warrant an out.
I say 'safe' on both situations.
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