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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee 
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				If A1 or a teammate is the first to violate, the ball is dead immediately and the FT is cancelled-- in all instances. That's a completely different rule- and situation- than the one we've been discussing. 
 
The discussion is about a member of the defending team - B- violating first. A B violation  is always a delayed violation. 
			
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 Whoops, I meant to say that B1 was the first to violate in those examples. Good catch. I'll go back and edit them.