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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
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Originally posted by Rick82358
Torso to torso contact is one of the things you look for to make a charging call. If the contact were to the torso to the defenders arms they were probably sticking out and not in the vertical plane so it would be a block (unless put up to absorb contact). If the contact were in the torso to legs of the defender I can't imagine that one. The principle is that for the contact to be straight on the contact has to be torso to torso to be a charge. That does include the shoulders of the offensive player.
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Exactly, torso-to-torso contact is only one of the things needed to know to make the correct call. That was exactly the point I was trying to make. Torso-to-torso contact is not the sole determining factor in the call- and it never has been.
You can have torso-to-torso contact and the block-or-charge call would still be dependant on whether the defender was there before the shooter left his feet, and also whether the defender was moving towards the airborne shooter when the torso-to-torso contact occurs.
My point is that you cannot make the correct call in this situation just by simply going with torso-to-torso contact, as Tom said. You have to split hairs. The correct call is determined by all of the relevant principles involved in block/charge, not just one principle only.
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Now that I see your highlighting in red, perhaps Rick wasn't missing your point as much as I thought. Sorry 'bout that, partner.