Sat Dec 03, 2005, 01:25am
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Originally posted by PWL
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Originally posted by Rich Ives
Create all the third-world plays you want. You know, the good ones where the offense gets an advantage when the BR goes into the dugout.
Bottom of the last inning, home trailing by one (or even better, score tied).
R1 and R3.
And it's not a TWP - but one done intentionally by using prior knowledge and planning ahead because a coach read the response and tells his batter what to do if . . . .
Batter hits a two hop sure DP ball. Intentionally runs into the dugout rather than to first. Gets called out for desertion, force on R1 removed.
Defense, not knowing the ruling, starts the DP attempt - tags only 2B, not R1.
R3 "scores" in the interim.
Result - tying (or winning) run scores because R1 is now not out as he wasn't tagged.
Do you really think the run should be allowed to score? I don't and, because I read this thread, I'm one of the few coaches that could teach my team how to do it.
And once the cat is out of the bag, "everyone" will try to do it.
And then the rulesmakers will tell us the force is not removed if, in the umpires judgement, the batter willfully enters DBT.
So why not just not allow it in the first place?
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It justs depends when you see it to as when you call it. In two man mechanics, HP has to watch for interfence at 2B and for the runner from 3B to touch the plate. BU will be watching the force at 2B and then the throw to 1B. The last thing they will be looking for is the BR. What are you going to do? Go running out to the umpires and argue that my runner made it into the dugout before the ball got to 2B. Hey, I didn't see it. Better think again.
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What's up with you and Ives? How dare you discuss baseball!
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