Thu Nov 10, 2005, 11:37am
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Re: Re: Carl,
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Originally posted by Carl Childress
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Originally posted by Tim C
I A2D. (I think and if I have followed the thread correctly.)
Play Situation:
Score is 4-4 in the bottom of the last inning. Home team has the bases loaded and one out.
Batter hits a perfect double play ball to F6 who shuffles to F4 to retire a legally sliding r1 who is being forced to second. F4 relays the ball to F3 and it appears that the batter is out by, hmmm 90 feet, because upon hitting the ball that batter-runner ran directly into the dugout (we have several dugouts in the PDX area that are less than 20' from home plate).
As the defense runs off the field hooping and hoolering because they stuffed the rally the plate umpire signals that r3 run counts and the game is over.
So the defense did nothing wrong. The turned a perfect double play BUT it appears that some people are saying the force is off when the BR entered the dugout.
I am having trouble buying into the reward to the offense that deliberately made the out.
What am I missing?
T
[Edited by Tim C on Nov 10th, 2005 at 10:57 AM]
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Aren't you missing that the force was in effect at the time of the pitch?
You're saying that the batter-runner can reach the dugout (20 feet) in about 3 seconds.
If so, then I want to be his agent.
The umpire is the dumb schmuck (is that redundant?) here. He just didn't want to go an extra inning.
I hope he can call for assistance leaving the field.
Let's get serious here. You and I know that any umpire who permitted a player to return to the field for playing action after entering the dugout is in deep caca.
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Carl,
No. The original play (the first one in this thread) is as follows:
Here's a play that happened last night during my son's game(league championship, which his team won 11-2, but I digress):
R1,R2, no outs. B1 hits a Texas-leaguer to shallow LF. F6 races back, stretches out, and gloves the ball but drops it as he falls to the ground. U3 calls "safe, no catch," but not very demonstrative. No IFF called because of the extraordinary effort to even get to the ball.
Runners hold thinking it was caught. (F6 is shielding the runner's view of the ball on the ground.) BR actually trots back to his dug-out(1B side) thinking he's out. F6 gets up, throws to F5, starting the triple play.
Here's my question:
If the BR entered the dug-out before the above action, being called out for abandonment, does that remove the forces at 2B and 3B? I believe it does.
However, here's the wrinkle in this sitch:
Is the removal of the force-outs considered a timing play? I.E., if the BR reaches his dug-out after R2 is forced at 3B, but before R1 is forced at 2B, does F4 now have to tag R1?
David Emerling
Memphis, TN
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